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		<title>Australian Anglicanism &#8211; the future is Melbourne</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 04:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Katay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, why?
Two answers, one pragmatic, the other more principled.
First the pragmatic issue. The fact is, that most of the Australian church has made its peace with women priests / presbyters and also bishops. This is almost impossible to reverse. At the same time, Sydney clergy (including me) remain overwhelmingly against this move. The two can&#8217;t [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=apkatay.wordpress.com&blog=7392747&post=455&subd=apkatay&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>So, why?</p>
<p>Two answers, one pragmatic, the other more principled.</p>
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<p>First the pragmatic issue. The fact is, that most of the Australian church has made its peace with women priests / presbyters and also bishops. This is almost impossible to reverse. At the same time, Sydney clergy (including me) remain overwhelmingly against this move. The two can&#8217;t mix, at least, not in any great numbers, and not at the level of episcopal leadership. But Melbourne has both women priests / presbyters and bishops, and so is seen as kosher by the rest of the Australian church. It remains a potential source of strengthening nationally.</p>
<p>But there is a second reason as well. The fact is that our style in Sydney has little of the flexibility needed to work in an ecclesiastically missional context. We simply don&#8217;t have the patience (or perhaps wisdom) to distinguish gnats and camels, to fight fights that are worthwhile and let others go through to the keeper.</p>
<p>And we keep behaving badly in relation to the national church. If you checkout the minutes of the recent Standing Committee <a href="http://www.sds.asn.au/Site/104133.asp?a=a&amp;ph=sy">here</a> (as the first of other matters near the bottom), you&#8217;ll see a motion telling the General Synod how to suck liturgical eggs (including the astonishing use only authorised services &#8211; just as we do in Sydney &#8211; not!). It strikes me as patronising and petulant. You can smell the bridges burning.</p>
<p>Melbourne has a growing evangelical segment, soon to be a majority. They have a great theological college, whose graduates are acceptable nationally. Hence, I suggest that revival of Anglicanism in Australia will come from Melbourne.</p>
<p>What to do about that? Perhaps nothin&#8217; much, not even send people to Melbourne, unless they are genuinely prepared to work missionally. Ironically, it turns out to be important in the larger scheme of things that Sydney keeps on being Sydney. Melbourne needs to keep looking good against the backdrop of a hard line Sydney!</p>
<p>At the same time, I wonder whether the time will be reasonably close when we bite the bullet, declare that we feel the freedom to plant Anglican churches in other Dioceses, and just get on with it, unconstrained by denominational niceties. There is a bracing consistency to such a stance!</p>
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		<title>Back again, again</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Katay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The mad rush of December &#8211; planning, recruiting leaders, mission, Christmas &#8211; has blocked any blogging of late, but I&#8217;m back, with the though to blog more consistently if less frequently next year.
But tomorrow I&#8217;ll post some thoughts on how I came to realise that the future of Australian Anglicanism lies not with Sydney, but [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=apkatay.wordpress.com&blog=7392747&post=453&subd=apkatay&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>The mad rush of December &#8211; planning, recruiting leaders, mission, Christmas &#8211; has blocked any blogging of late, but I&#8217;m back, with the though to blog more consistently if less frequently next year.</p>
<p>But tomorrow I&#8217;ll post some thoughts on how I came to realise that the future of Australian Anglicanism lies not with Sydney, but with Melbourne</p>
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		<title>Hearts and minds</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Katay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re after for Jesus&#8217; sake, and the battle is hard. Not least because of the taken-for-granted assumptions of our culture.
I&#8217;ve submitted a letter to the SMH, replying to a letter by a secularist.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>That&#8217;s what we&#8217;re after for Jesus&#8217; sake, and the battle is hard. Not least because of the taken-for-granted assumptions of our culture.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve submitted a letter to the SMH, replying to a letter by a secularist.</p>
<blockquote><p>In asserting that religious organisations should not be tax exempt because religion is private, Max Wallace (Letters 21/11), makes a classic category error. He muddles up personal and private.</p>
<p>Of course religion is profoundly personal, both in the sense that people are entitled to form their own religious views, and that those views lead to all sorts of personal decisions and commitments.</p>
<p>But that is not remotely the same thing as saying religion is private. A good way to think of religion is as a set of answers to the big questions &#8211; what is this world, it&#8217;s origin and destiny? Who am I, and how should I live? What&#8217;s wrong with the world and with us, and how can it be fixed? And as soon as it&#8217;s put like that, it&#8217;s obvious that all religions are far from private, and instead necessarily have public ramifications.</p>
<p>Christianity has one set of answers to these questions, Scientology another, and of course secular humanism another (even if it pretends it&#8217;s above it all). The fact is, every one of us is religious, at least if you think about more than the next pay check or party.</p>
<p>There may be good reasons not apply tax exemp status to religious organisations, but the simplistic assertion that religion is private is not one of them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, not much chance that it will get in, but the original letter was sufficiently ire-making, that I couldn&#8217;t let it rest.</p>
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		<title>The paradox of structured freedom</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes, things make intuitive sense. The Proverbs are full of this kind of sense &#8211; work hard: do well, etc.
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However, quite often, the way things work out is counter-intuitive. The paradox of structured freedom is like that.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Sometimes, things make intuitive sense. The Proverbs are full of this kind of sense &#8211; work hard: do well, etc.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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<p>However, quite often, the way things work out is counter-intuitive. The <strong>paradox of structured freedom</strong> is like that.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The paradox centers around the challenge of maximising the involvement of church members in the life, ministry and mission of the church. The National Church Life Survey says that this is the single most significant weakness in Anglican churches.</p>
<p>Intuitively, you might think that the best way to do that is to reduce structure to a minimum, to simply get out of people&#8217;s way and encourage them to take initiative.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think it works like that. The paradox of structured freedom is that for people to have maximum freedom to use their gifts in the mission of the church, there needs to be a degree of structure. Too little structure, and the pathway into &#8211; and support of &#8211; member ministry is too elusive. Too much structure and it becomes bogged down in red tape.</p>
<p>The way we are trying to address this at CCIW goes like this.</p>
<ul>
<li>ministry comes in 2 sorts &#8211; programs (ongoing) and projects (time limited). There are 2 sorts of projects &#8211; ministry projects (carols by candlelight etc)  and infrastructure projects (paint the hall). There are also tasks, which are smaller in scale than programs and projects and which can be done by individuals. Programs and projects should be run by teams.</li>
<li>we are fairly used to programs being run by teams with a leader, and fairly good at recruiting for those teams/leadership roles. My observation is that we are not so good on the project side. And yet, heaps of church life comes in the form of projects, and it can be a great way for people to inject their gifts into the mix.</li>
<li>so, we make sure we have a quarterly off-site staff meeting, which plans ministry projects 1 quarter (ideally 2 or more quarters &#8211; we&#8217;re working on it &#8211; in advance). The parallel for infrastructure projects is at Parish Council.</li>
<li>every project has 2 structural elements. First, a <strong>link person</strong> into the &#8216;place of power&#8217;; that is, the place of final decision making authority, the place from whom the delegation has come in the first instance.  For ministry projects, that is the staff team, for infrastructure projects, that is the Parish Council. If there&#8217;s no link person, then the project will often be underpowered and frustrating to those involved, or possibly go &#8216;rogue&#8217;. <strong>The link person doesn&#8217;t run the project</strong>, but rather, provides links to other members who do run the project &#8211; the more links, the more member-run projects. Not having links &#8211; say for example, wardens always being the ones who run infrastructure projects &#8211; is a key reason both why we get less done than we might, and there are fewer people involved than there might be. So, the product of the off-site is a list of projects in one column, with staff link people in another column next to it, and then a a member who is the project leader in the 3rd column. It;&#8217;s the third column that counts!</li>
<li>The second structural element is a <strong>project brief</strong>. This is a statement of the goals, budget, timeframe and other parameters of the project. The brief is an essential tool for ensuring that the project team has as clear as possible sense of the actual task at hand, and the boundaries on it. Having a brief is profoundly empowering. Getting good at writing briefs is a crucial skill for maximising member involvement.</li>
<li>the staff meeting and the wardens / Parish Council meeting then spend a fair proportion of time resourcing the different projects through the various link people.</li>
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<p>We&#8217;re still working it out, but I&#8217;m hopeful that we will find our way through the paradox of structured freedom.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In his article on God&#8217;s wrath, Carson quote from Christian Smith&#8217;s book, Soul Searching, in relation to the wrath-less god of pop Christianity.
5 features constitute this religion

A God exists who created and orders the world and watches over human life on earth
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>In his article on God&#8217;s wrath, Carson quote from Christian Smith&#8217;s book, Soul Searching, in relation to the wrath-less god of pop Christianity.</p>
<p>5 features constitute this religion</p>
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<li>A God exists who created and orders the world and watches over human life on earth</li>
<li>God wants people to be good, nice and fair to each other, as taught in the Bible and by most world religions</li>
<li>The central goal of life is ot be happy and to feel good about oneself</li>
<li>God does not need to be particularly involved in one&#8217;s life except when God is needed to resolve a problem</li>
<li>Good people go to heaven when they die.</li>
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<p>I thought this was a nice summary, and of course, there is no place for the wrath of God in such a scheme (nor any response to evil).</p>
<p>So, do you know any MTD&#8217;s? Joe Hockey is waiting to be elected President of the group!</p>
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		<title>Student minister positions</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Katay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any theological / Bible college students who&#8217;d like to talk about a student minster position for next year, feel free to drop me a line.
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		<title>Owning the wrath of God</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Katay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still pursuing my rekindled love of reading theology, I have started on an article by Don Carson on the wrath of God.
I was a bit naughty and skipped to the end. He has 4 concluding practical implications:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Still pursuing my rekindled love of reading theology, I have started on an article by Don Carson on the wrath of God.</p>
<p>I was a bit naughty and skipped to the end. He has 4 concluding practical implications:</p>
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<li>There is a sense in which we should be wrathful as God is wrathful (Rom 12.9: &#8220;Hate what is evil&#8221;)</li>
<li>The wrath of God enhances our grasp of God&#8217;s love, it does not diminish it.</li>
<li>There must be some sense in which God is praised for his wrath (rather than evoke embarrassment)</li>
<li>We should shed tears. Carson tells the account of a Jewish-Christian believer on a radio panel, who was asked whether anyone could be saved apart from Christ. His ethnic background was known, and so when it was his turn to speak, the radio program host baited him by asking if he thought his fellow Jews could be saved apart from Christ. Carson tells of how &#8220;This Christian brother began to weep, and then to sob quietly, uncontrollably. After a minute or two, the host said he had never heard a more compelling reason to become a Christian.</li>
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<p>This is all very helpful, and I&#8217;m looking forward to reading what comes first!</p>
<p>At the same time, I wonder whether these conclusions could be strengthened &#8211; yes, you guessed it &#8211; by reference to the way that the wrath of God is a thing to be rejoice d in precisely because it is God&#8217;s holy response to all that is evil and destructive of life.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently on a minor prophets kick in my devotions, and am up to Nahum. Cop this for the way to start a prophecy:</p>
<blockquote><p>A jealous and avenging God is the Lord, the Lord is avenging and wrathful. The Lord takes vengeance on his adversaries, and rages against his enemies. The Lord is slow to anger, but great in power, and the Lord will by no means clear the guilty.</p></blockquote>
<p>And Nahum goes on to speak these words of encouragement, to those who were suffering great evil at the hands of Assyria. It&#8217;s in the furnace that the wrath of God makes most sense!</p>
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		<title>Jensen vs. Hockey &#8211; a win or a draw?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Katay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s so good to see clear Christian articles in the central space of the SMH. Great work by the Dean, Phillip Jensen for taking the initiative to write the article and get it published.
And he does a great job of explaining and exposing the views of Joe Hockey.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>It&#8217;s so good to see clear Christian articles in the central space of the SMH. Great work by the Dean, Phillip Jensen for taking the initiative to write <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/sugar-and-spice-and-all-things-nice-a-safe-god-for-politicians-20091113-ieku.html">the article</a> and get it published.</p>
<p>And he does a great job of explaining and exposing the views of Joe Hockey.</p>
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<p>Which is why it&#8217;s such a shame that he seems to drop the ball over the line.</p>
<p>Just as Hockey&#8217;s pale, anaemic religion is clear for all to see, the piece seems to veer off along a &#8216;we&#8217;re right and you&#8217;re not&#8217; path &#8211; highlighting the mutually exclusive teachings of Christianity and Islam, and the way that churches that take Scripture seriously are growing, along with some bare assertions about the heart of Christianity.</p>
<p>The problem is that, though those things are true of course, they don&#8217;t actually show <strong>why it matters</strong> that Hockey&#8217;s hokey moralism be opposed for the feeble thing it is.</p>
<p>And it matters precisely because religion-as-niceness has nothing to say in the face of real evil &#8211; other than bleet &#8216;be nicer&#8217;. This is part of the great apologetic significance of the cross and resurrection &#8211; evil is real (in a sense, although that&#8217;s another story), no pretending, and God-in-Christ overcomes evil with good by absorbing that evil in himself, and rises to new life in victory and glory. And so we Christians can name evil for what it is, entrust ourselves to the glory to come, while doing everything in our power now to walk in the footsteps of Christ in overcoming evil with good.</p>
<p>I wonder whether 2 things are going on here.</p>
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<li>First, the article feels like a modernist response to a post-modern position &#8211; a response which is strong on it own terms, but in the end is speaking a different language.</li>
<li>Second, and related, Hockey&#8217;s piece is sheerly individualistic in nature &#8211; that is part of its weakness &#8211; and requires a response that highlights the cosmic nature of sin and evil &#8211; and the cross; but the response is also couched in individualistic terms.</li>
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<p>Of course, it&#8217;s easy to snipe from the sidelines. It&#8217;s excellent that the issues are front and center in the public square.</p>
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		<title>Stipend or wage? (Part 2)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Katay</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve been thinking further about the basis on which ministers should be paid.
It seems to me that there are only 3 approaches:

the &#8216;cost to live&#8217; principle &#8211; that is, pay what is needed to free them up for ministry
the &#8216;responsibility&#8217; principle &#8211; that is, pay them in some manner comensurate with the responsibility bourne
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I&#8217;ve been thinking further about the basis on which ministers should be paid.</p>
<p>It seems to me that there are only 3 approaches:</p>
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<li>the &#8216;cost to live&#8217; principle &#8211; that is, pay what is needed to free them up for ministry</li>
<li>the &#8216;responsibility&#8217; principle &#8211; that is, pay them in some manner comensurate with the responsibility bourne</li>
<li>the &#8216;free market&#8217; principle &#8211; pay them whatever it takes to get them to come to the church and keep them there.</li>
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<p>The truth is that none of them work perfectly.</p>
<p>The <strong>free market principle</strong> leads to perversions in the nature of the ministry done &#8211; never to be a &#8216;pretext for greed&#8217;.</p>
<p>The <strong>cost of living principle</strong> simply breaks down when you ask, &#8216;cost of <strong>whose</strong> living?&#8217; Every minister&#8217;s situation, and therefore cost of living will be different &#8211; a family with 7 kids has a greater cost of living than a couple without children where the wife works, and yet the large family may have a $10M bank balance, and the childless couple may be financially caring for 4 aged parents; one minster may have bought a holiday house, which is then part of his cost of living, yet hardly seems to warrant an increased salary etc. Unless we want to go down the track of stipulating scales for every personal circumstance, and then investigating them (which seems silly), it strikes me that behind the simple statement &#8216;free them up for ministry&#8217; is a pandora&#8217;s box of problems.</p>
<p>Which leaves the <strong>responsibility principle</strong>. I think this is the least problematic. It has the significant advantage of being based in justice &#8211; the same pay for the same job, different pay for different job. It also enacts what used to be called &#8216;the charitable assumption&#8217;; namely, that if a minister has more than he needs, it&#8217;s his responsibility (which he is trusted to do) to be generous with it through his giving, not the church&#8217;s job to not give it to him in the first place.</p>
<p>One way to do this is to find an award for a comparable responsibility (say department head in a school), and peg the minister&#8217;s stipend to that. Of course, account will need to be taken of ministry fringe benefits, such as the house etc.</p>
<p>The more I&#8217;ve thought about this, the clearer it has become to me that the least bad option is the best that will be available.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 07:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, wrap your theological laughing gear around this!
McCormack goes on to explain Barth&#8217;s take on God and time and impassibility. It goes something like this.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>So, wrap your theological laughing gear around this!</p>
<p>McCormack goes on to explain Barth&#8217;s take on God and time and impassibility. It goes something like this.</p>
<p>If God is to be defined by his decision to be God for us in Jesus Christ &#8211; that is, an historical reality &#8211; then &#8220;God&#8217;s being is, on the basis of this decision, a being-for-time&#8221; in which case, &#8220;God&#8217;s being cannot be timeless … time is not alien to the innermost being of God.&#8221; I&#8217;m still trying to think through the ripple effects of this.</p>
<p>He goes one step further &#8211; not just time, but suffering. One of the great drivers in theology is the desire to uphold the immutability of God (that is, he doesn&#8217;t change, he is not fickle like us). And one consequence of this has been a doctrine of impassibility, that is that God doesn&#8217;t experience the change associated with suffering. McCormack says:</p>
<blockquote><p>Who is the subject who suffers in Jesus Christ? … There can only be one Subject of the human sufferings of Jesus, and this Subject is the Logos. That the Logos suffers humanly goes without saying. Suffering is made possible only through the assumptio carnis [assumption of flesh, the incarnation]. But it is the Logos who suffers, for there is no other subject. If the Logos is the Subject of the human sufferings of Jesus, then suffering is an event which takes place within the divine life &#8211; which also means that the divine nature cannot be rightly defined in abstraction from this event … <strong>If becoming human, suffering, dying and so forth are the content of the eternal decision in which God gives himself his being, then no change is introduced into the being of God when this becoming and so forth take place in time</strong>. And if God is immutable determined for suffering, then the concept of immutability has been cut loose from impassibility.</p></blockquote>
<p>The mental gears are a bit rusty, but this all sounds fairly convincing to me. Any responses?</p>
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